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Another rapid transit "meltdown" (PATH)/(AMTRAK)
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Here's an interesting, well-detailed article............

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrailzed_traffic_control

(Note how modern "interlockings" are today but rooms crammed with computer screens0

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Something tells me "touch screens" with track diagrams are the worst.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.N.:

You are not alone; I, too, have little faith on those "touch screens", at least in this sector. Sad

I feel more far secure with traditional interlocking leversand swiches.

PATH had multiple towers until the WTC era; one older tower at JSQ was closed, replaced with a new ":command center" tower (at least it LOOKS like a tower.

There were also a tower between Hoboken and Pavonia (stil lintact, bt long closed), Exchange PLace (westernmost end of platform of JSQ-bound platform, Hponoken, and 33rd Street.

The Hoboken tower (model board in full view!) was only staffed during rush hours (I recallit well)

"Toidy-Toid" street also had a tower ;the original WTC tower, id, og course, but a memory...........

'NYO:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A vuew of the model board (and exterior) of PATH's "MOORE" tower at JSQ...........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?21763

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?143168

(courtesty:nycsubway.org)

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
A vuew of the model board (and exterior) of PATH's "MOORE" tower at JSQ...........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?21763

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?143168

(courtesty:nycsubway.org)

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Yeah, they were beginning to get Star Wars-y there . . .
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

With the opening of the PATH Transportation Center (what a travesty!) in 1974, PATH entered the (early) "Star Wars"-era of interlocking and train control.

I belive the tower at the o;d Grove-Henderson yards (closed 1990) was in use right until the end......

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Several views of the tower at PATH's old Henderson Street yards........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?49816

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?138967

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?38102

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
W.B.:

With the opening of the PATH Transportation Center (what a travesty!) in 1974, PATH entered the (early) "Star Wars"-era of interlocking and train control.

I belive the tower at the o;d Grove-Henderson yards (closed 1990) was in use right until the end......

'NYO"

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I was going to say about the "Jay-Ess-Tee-See," it has looked like something out of a dystopian sci-fi film, hasn't it? Sterile to the core, almost no life in it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W,B.:

You will NOT hear me disagreeing with THAT statement! Wink

Over the years, many editorials in now-defunct Hudson County papers durectly blamed the Transportation Center for the sharp downfall of Journal Square, and rightly so

Taking the buses off of the Square itself deprived the many shops and businesses of much valuable "foot traffic".

The JSQ PATH station itself, is, like today's Times Square, cold, barren, and totally without charm or warmth

The original 1912 station I grew up with vanished in the early 1970s........."progress"........ Sad

"NYO"

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2026 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Where's Waldo"?

Just east of the JSQ station was a blue and white tower that was a PRR "cabin", designated "WALDO".

This tower controlled PRR trains and "joint service" H&M/PATH trains.

After it was closed by P-C, it sat derelict for some time until it was destroyed by fire.

For years, you could still see the foundation, and severed stumps of signal cables emerging from the cracked concrete.........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?24787

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2026 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Historical note:

PRR's old "HUDSON" tower, near Harrison, and along the NEC/PATH corridors, was the sole remnant of the fabled "MANHATTAN TRANSFER", which closed in 1937,

There had veen two rowers at the transfer, "N" and "S"; only the tower which was renamed "HUDSON" remained.

At the transfer (engine change facility back in the third rail "DD-1" era) had gantlet travks, which allowed the narrower H&M rolling stock to use the platforms utilized by the wider PRR trains.

After the Aldene Plan took effect in 1967, the new Harrison CNJ coach yard was built on part of the site, which had been used by "joint service" tube trains.......i

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