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W.B. Fishbowl
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To show you how older we're both getting, on BusChat there's someone who says he'll miss the New Flyer C40LF's (which first entered "soivice" in 2011) when they're retired. When you have people who wistfully remember BINO's like that . . . well . . .  |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2026 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| W.B. Fishbowl wrote: | | To show you how older we're both getting, on BusChat there's someone who says he'll miss the New Flyer C40LF's (which first entered "soivice" in 2011) when they're retired. When you have people who wistfully remember BINO's like that . . . well . . . |
W.B.:
I, also, read that post, and was on the same wavelength as you.
HOW can ANYONE "wax nostalgic" over am insipid "BINO"??? 
Wonder how they would feel about the vintage relics Your's Truly grew up with, over 60 years ago??(REAL buses!) 
When the day comes when the subway fleet is 100% NTT, and ALL signalling is "See-Bee-Tee-See"it will be, indeed a VERY sad day for us "old timers". 
Seems most of today's bus fans are totally alienated from the classics we both remember.......
No wonder there is so little interest in the MTA's now-dormant historic bus fleet......... 
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2026 9:36 am Post subject: |
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For reference:
"BINO"="Buses In Name Only"
"SCINO"="Subway Cars In Name Only"
"SINO"="Signals In Name Only"
"FINO"="Ferries In Name Only"
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2026 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Further:
"Kramdens"/"Shermans"=Old Looks
"Pattons"=postwar MACKS
"Jetsons"=Pre-1963 Fishbowls w/streamlined clearance lights
"Bullets"=Post-1962 Fishbowls with "bullet" clearance lights
"Dangerfields"=Flex New Look
"Borough Bombers"=GRUMMAN
"Mighty Wurlitzers"/"Slinkies"=Articulateds
"Torpedo"=RTS
"Slant-Back"=Early model "RTS"
"BINO"=(self-explanatory!)
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2026 11:34 am Post subject: |
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Continued............
"Hackmans"="R-42s'"
"Warriors"="R-27s/30s"
"Broadway Battleships"=BMT "Standards"
"Artens"/"Thunderdboids"-""R-10"
"Silverboids"-""R-62s"
""JETERbugs"="R-142s"
"Brontos"-"R-143" and up (BMT/IND)
"BUDDliners"="R-32s"
"Brighton Belles"="R-68s"
"Islanders"=SIR "R-44s"
"Staten Island Rattlers"=SIRT "R-211s"
"Silver Sunliners"=LIRR"M-7s"/"9s"]
"NYO"
["ST. LOUIS CAR COMPANY"] |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2026 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Lest I forget..........
"Staten Island Toonervilles"=("ME-1s")
"Blue McAdoos"=(current PATH fleet)
"Jersey Hounds"=(NJT's MCIs)
"Blunderbus"=(Open-top FACCo double-decker)
"Rocky BRILL-boas"=(ACF-BRILL "C-44s")
"NYO"
["GENERAL MOTORS"]
["PRESSED STEEL'] |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2026 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Also.......
Old Looks:
In New Jersey,"Shermans"; in NYC,"Kramdens"
"Winged Warriors"=Batwing Fishbowls
Alternate "handles" for the "R-38s","R-27s"/"R-30s","46"="Travoltas" (or "Saturday Night Specials")*
*(scroll down page to "Film" heading; go to "Saturday Night Fever" listing)
See also:
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?40260
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?5036
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2026 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Also.......
Old Looks:
In New Jersey,"Shermans"; in NYC,"Kramdens"
"Winged Warriors"=Batwing Fishbowls
Alternate "handles" for the "R-38s","R-27s"/"R-30s","46"="Travoltas" (or "Saturday Night Specials")*
*(scroll down page to "Film" heading; go to "Saturday Night Fever" listing)
See also:
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?40260
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?5036
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
"NYO"
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I know R-38's were known in some corners as "Brightliner Wannabes," and slant R-40's as "Snoutliners." |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2026 10:12 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Well.........
Seeing as Your's Truly was indeed the "creator" of those (fitting!) monikers awhile back ,I would say I am pretty familiar iuth them both!
IMHO, the "Brightliners" morphed into what I have come to term "SHELL-Iners", after their 1980s GOH, mere shells of what they had once been.
All of the straphanger's straps were removed, the new interior paint was as bland and dull as unlined notebook paper, and the crowning insult was the removal of the end sign boxes, which were replaced by those asinine (and dang ugly) little "cyclops" signs.
And, of course, those distinctive blue doors also disappeared...... 
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2026 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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10 cars were GOH'd at GE, and while their appearance was likewise "hollowed out" to "shell" status, unlike Morrison-Knudsen's rebuilds those 10 retained a smidgen of their original appearance on the front. Alas, I've not been able to find any photo on nycsubway.org of those. (If you can find such pics, they were 3594-5, 3880-1, 3892-3, 3934-5 and 3936-7.) |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2026 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Interesting information; was not aware of this.
Odd, when you think about it, how the GOH'd-"Redboids" retained their bulkhead sign boxes and their standee straps.
Ditto the GOH-d "Redboids on 'roids" (the "27s/30s") which departed the scene far too early.
Fitting, though, that the IRT was the first subway in "Noo Yawk" to have cars equipped with straps.....as well as the last, in 2003............
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2026 12:24 am Post subject: |
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"Kissin' cousins"..........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?4686
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?47700
(courtesy:nycsubway.org)
I have long wondered why that the later "R-38" (aka "Brightliner Wannabe") was built by ST.LOUIS, instead of (what would seem to me the logical choice) BUDD.
Was ST.LOUIS the more "economical" choice for the "TA"?
"NYO"
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2026 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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Except for the R-32's, since the early 1960's St. Louis was building all of NYC's subway cars to this point, so . . . indeed, follow the money . . . to the "Tee-Yay," it was based on the lowest bidder. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2026 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
I see my hunch was right, regarding the price of the "Brightliner Wannabes" (ST. LOUIS vs BUDD)
Though we've discussed this before, I always found it odd that the great J.G. BRILL, though building countless streetcars for "Noo Yawk" rails, did not supply as much as ONE order for the 'Noo Yawk" subways.
In Philly, of course, it was QUITE a different story, perhaps for QUITE obvious reasons..... |
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