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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
Over the years there were strikes against FACCo (and New York City Omnibus), but unless there's something I missed, there wasn't the kind of violence against buses that there were during the 1926 "General Strike" in the UK.

One of the TWU strikes, in 1941, involved the status of African-Americans in terms of the positions they held in bus companies at the time.


W.B.:

See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_transit_strike_of_1944
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also (photos included):

https://hiddencityphila.org/2014/08/an-anniversary-to-forget-august-1-1944/
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a lineup of London buses ("B" type), during the General Strike of 1926; note armed soldiers........

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/80994493282049842/
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

During the 1926 "General Strike", this London bus was photographed with boards protecting the side windows, and its open cab (then standard on all London buses) covered with a wire mesh and barbed wire screen.......

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/79516749645054424/
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2022 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interestingly, the first major LONDON TRANSPORT strike of the 1950's took place in September, 1950, involving 26 garages.

This strike came about when LT began again recruiting female conductors, and the overwhelming majority of LT drivers flatly refused to work with female conductors.

This strike lasted from 13th to 18th September, 1950.

In 1958, a more serious strike took place; LT bus passengers "made do" by switching over to (when and where possible) to the Tubes and BR's electric commuter trains)

Oddly enough, during this strike, older buses from other companies outside London (some of these buses had originally run for LT in earlier years) helped out, offering free rides to anyone who managed to squeeze aboard.......

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When LT bus drivers and conductors went on strike in 1958 (this strike did not affect the Tubes), the Underground was overwhelmed by the crush loads caused by the bus strike, as can be seen in this photo*......

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/234398355581551108/

*There are a number of vintage London photos on this page; of particular interest is one from 1934, showing workers at the massive Chiswick Works making up new roller curtains (as you can see, this was indeed quite a task for the men so employed!)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the days of cloth roll signs, most on the NYC buses were made by Hunter Illuminated Sign.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B. Fishbowl wrote:
In the days of cloth roll signs, most on the NYC buses were made by Hunter Illuminated Sign.


W.B.

Ahhhhh, Hunter.......the legendary roll-sign manufacturer! Wink

In London, older buses (until WW2) also carried wooden destination boards (also made at Chiswick); after the War, this practice was not revived by LT, and, on the oldest buses due for retirement, there was now a blank space on the upper deck (rear) below a roller curtain box, where the wooden sign boards had previously been mounted with hooks.

Until the mid-1930's, the oldest open-top (and converted models) also carried wooden destination boards on the front of the upper deck.

As there were so many different bus classes that carried wooden destination boards (few wooden signs were of standard size) this required a considerable amount of work.

Several hundred men were once assigned to the sign department at the (now gone) Chiswick Works.

Unlike "Noo Yawk", London's tube trains never carried large end bulkhead sign boxes; nor did they ever have side-sign boxes.

A small destination sign was located beneath the driver's (motorman'ss) window, beneath which were the colored marker lights, again, totally different from "Noo Yawk" practice.......

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

......awhile ago, I read that Sadiq Khan (that's the "big guy" in charge in London, btw!) received a lot of flack for "....not replacing dirty diesel buses fast enough......."

These "Give a hoot, don't pollute" advocates of "green" buses fail to realize that there are also negatives to operating hybrid/battery buses.

Today's "eco-friendly", hi-tech buses used in London clearly will never last as long in regular service, as past types of London buses have (quite a few were active in the LT fleet for 40 years)

The basic "RT" type was introduced in 1939, just prior to WW2; the postwar "RT's" differed little, when seen side-by-side with their prewar counterparts........

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...........one cannot help but to wonder what today's overly-enthusiastic "go greenies" would have thought of London buses hauling "gas producer unit" trailers during WW2? Rolling Eyes

A far as "eco-friendly" buses, one should also recall London's once-vast trolleybus fleet (the last ran in 1962); LT's was, at its height, the largest operator of trolleybuses in the world........

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "LONDON TRANSPORT" of years past no longer exists; today, "TfL" ("TRANSPORT FOR LONDON") now operates London's extensive public transport network, including the buses.

Interestingly, the insignia used today harks back to that which "LT" used for decades......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_for_London
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LT's history was quite different than FACCo's; this was especially during the War years (1939-1945)

In reading of LT bus history, you will read frequently of "frozen"/"unfrozen" buses.

When the War Board authorized the construction of a certain quota of new double-deckers during the War, via an order of buses that had been "frozen" due to the halting of construction due to hostilities, these buses were referred to as "unfrozen" buses.

This classification referred to both chassis and bodies........

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

......FACCo never had to deal with the sort of labor issues that LT dealt with, over the years.

Sometimes, there were "isolated" strikes that only involved certain bus garages and trolleybus depots.

Other times, there might be a bus strike while the Tubes were still operating.

Then, of course, there were times when EVERYTHING ground to a halt.

A lengthy bus strike in 1958 found the Tubes and local electric rail services overloaded; interestingly, buses were "borrowed" from other companies outside of London, and began operations on various routes, piloted by their "home" drivers.

Even more interesting was that a number of the "outside" buses had been purchased second-hand from LT in earlier years, and were now once again operating on the streets of the Capital.

Some of these buses, old Leyland "TITANS" from Southdown were pressed into London service; what made these particular buses interesting is that they featured standee windows, which were NOT at all commonplace in Great Britain!

The most unusual vehicle used to transport passengers during this strike was a "bubble car and motor scooter carrier", which, oddly enough, had started life as a single-deck coach!

In September, 1950, a short strike involved 26 LT garages; this strike was the result of male drivers refusing to work with female conductors ("clippies")

"Clippies" were, in earlier years, commonplace on the buses, during both WW1 and WW2.

Indeed, FACCo was immune to such "unorthodox" labor issues......

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Indeed, FACCo was immune to such "unorthodox" labor issues......

No, their labor issues were the usual garden-variety lot y'all keep hearing about. The most serious, of course, being the last one in 1962 that led to the creation of MaBSTOA and the takeover of all surviving FACO, NYCO and Surface Transit routes (those that weren't one-trip-a-day franchise holder).
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

Here is another issue that FACCo did not (thankfully) have to deal with, one that was a major issue indeed for LT.......*

"........at the end of 1955 there was a shortage of nearly four thousand drivers and conductors. Recruitment sources within the United Kingdom and Ireland were proving insufficient to close the gap....."

".........at the beginning of 1956, the historic decision was taken to send a party of LT officials to Barbados, Trinidad,, the Bahamas, and Jamaica to set up an organization to recruit staff for London Transport........"

"..........in the first year, a total of 298 men were recruited as conductors and and station staff. This source continued to be tapped, alongside the United Kingdom and Ireland, for the rest of the decade....."

"NYO"

*Source: "LONDON BUSES IN THE 1950's" (Ken Glazier)


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