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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From: "NEW YORK SUBWAYS"* (Gene Sansome):

"........in 1913, the City of New York took ownership of the Steinway tubes, and the IRT was selected as operator of the line. These tunnels were two, single-track trolley tunnels, built by the New York & LOng Island Railroad Company......."

"......after a brief reconsideration of the resumption of the idea of trolley service, the IRT concluded that it would be best to convert the line to a heavy rapid transit-style operation......."

".......the standard IRT cars of the day were impractical because of the steep grades* in the tunnels. IRT car engineers redesigned the standard "Lo-V' of that era with a slightly lower weight, and a gear ratio better suited for running in these tunnels......"

".....originally, these cars were known as "Belmont Cars" (IRT shopmen referred to them as "Boilers"); only 12 cars were required for the initial service. The moniker 'Boiler' was coined because of the large air reservoir tank located in the motorman's cab, which made a hissing noise as the car operated......."

*Interestingly, the IRT cars built in 1938 for the upcoming World's Fair (the first IRT cars to do away with vestibules) were also dubbed "Steinways", and were able to MU with older equipment.

*Grades in the Steinway tubes were/are a steep 4.5%; the "conventional" IRT equipment of that era were unable to handle the steep grades in the tunnels.

The "Steinway" cars served the Flushing line (#7) until 1950, when they were displaced by new equipment (R-12/14/15); the cars were transferred to the IRT's "mainlines", where they ran until about 1963/1964, before again being displaced by new equipment.

A small number of "Steinways" served the Bronx section of the 3rd Avenue El until 1969.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This page on the IRT's Flushing line has much history, and also talks of the original plan to use streetcars in the tubes under the East River.

Interesting to note, that, these cars would not have used the usual overhead wires, but, instead would have used an overhead third rail (short sections of overhead third rail were originally used at Pennsylvania Station, and, in more recent times, at Grand Central, at terminal throats)

Clearly, the use of "streetcars" in these tunnels was not conducive for future efficient operations.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/IRT_Flushing_Line
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also of interest:

www.forgotten-ny.com/2017/04/flushing-line-centennial-part-1/

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This page recalls Woodside's historic "recycled" car barn (the long-forgotten New York & Queens County Ry.); the last trolleys used this facility in 1937*........

www.forgotten-ny.com/1998/09/woodsides-trolley-barn

*In June, 1930, the entire western section of the car barn was destroyed in a massive and highly-destructive fire; a large number of streetcars were also destroyed in the blaze. The area once occupied by the burned-down section of the barn became an outdoor storage yard, and was used by STEINWAY until the last streetcars were replaced by buses in 1939.

This outdoor storage yard held cars of the NY&QRy, STEINWAY, as well as ex-JAMAICA CENTRAL equipment.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a few 1930's-vintage photos of rolling stock* at the Woodside car barn.....

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/nyqr08.htm

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/nyqr11.htm

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/nyqr21.htm

(courtesy: newdavesrailpix)

*In later years, 35 used cars (from several states) joined the NY&QC Ry. fleet; some of these "modern" cars were quite similar to those used by the CONNECTICUT Co. and WILKES-BARRE Rys.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few views of the second-hand cars purchased by the NY&QC Ry.; these cars were far more modern that the Company's oldest equipment then in use.......

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/nyqr01.htm

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/nyqr12.htm

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/nyqr17.htm

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another of the second-hand cars outside the Woodside barns......

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/nyqr03.htm
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A NY&QCRy Birney, seen resting between assignments at the Woodside car barn (the barns were to the back of the photographer in this shot).......

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/nyqr07.htm

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two photos showing what was typical of the oldest equipment in use by the NY&QCRy in the 1930's; these classic deck-roofers were very similar to some of the oldest PSNJ cars that were still being used at that time.......

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/nyqr14.htm

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/nyqr15.htm

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A time-honored scene, once so commonplace on streetcar systems throughout the country; a NY&QCRy's motorman is here seen "changing ends" at the College Point Ferry terminal (the two-slip ferry terminal is out of the picture)......

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/nyqr02.htm

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another old Queens streetcar company was MANHATTAN & QUEENS TRACTION; among its fleet were a number of center-entrance cars (seen here in these photos)

The cars of this company also connected with the LIRR at Jamaica; the last streetcars pulled down their poles in 1937........

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/mqtc001.htm

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/mqtc002.htm

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/mqtc004.htm

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/mqtc005.htm

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cars of the once-familiar STEINWAY lines vanished in 1939; these were the very last streetcars to operate in Queens (with the exception of the "Bridge Railway", which ended service in 1957)........

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/stein01.htm

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/stein04.htm

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/stein13.htm

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/stein16.htm

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/stein21.htm

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

STEINWAY #1687 was one of the ancient relics that came from TARS; even for the time, this car had a decided antiquated look......

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/stein24.htm
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's one of the more modern STEINWAY cars, seen laying over in the open storage yard at Woodside; as mentioned earlier, this yard was created after a fire destroyed a large portion of the building.......

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/stein12.htm

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Car # 537, also seen at the Woodside yard.......

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/stein02.htm

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