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traildriver:

Some time back, I can recall a discussion on SubChat on this subject; it also creeps up from time-to-time when the discussion is about former passageways/mezzanines where transfers were once required, to travel beyond the subway system.

Though this is a subject I am NOT any sort of authority on, the following is from Stan Fischler's "UPTOWN, DOWNTOWN":

".....on July 1, 1948, the fares of the NYCTS was raised to ten cents; two-cent transfers between surface line trolleys, the elevateds, and the subways was established in the Bronx. This arrangement ended on June 30, 1952......"

"......on June 13, 1942, the Second Avenue elevated abandoned operations from South Ferry to Queensboro Plaza. For patrons formerly served by the trains from Queens, a paper issuance transfer was established between the 3rd Avenue line and the IRT's Queens line at 42nd St......."

"......on June 12, 1940, a paper transfer issuance was established between the El (3rd Avenue) and subway stations of the IND's Concourse line at 155th St......"

"NYO"

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On a related note (regarding transfers to/from the subway) these two pages might be of interest (especially the second page)......

www.subwaynut.com/bmt/canarsiel/index.php

(courtesy: subwaynut)

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The same station, back in the trolley era.......

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/bqt246.htm

(courtesy: davesrailpix)

[traildriver]

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traildriver:

You are welcome!

This topic made me wonder if (Newark) City Subway passengers, debarking the cars at Broad St., could have purchased transfers for the PS buses that then served the adjacent PSNJ terminal (this was, of course, all PSNJ "territory")

Another interesting thought to ponder is what the situation might have been like at St. George, had the MTA taken over the Ferry operations as well as the SIRT. Recall, both the CNJ and the DL&W included the ferry fare to New York in the price of their weekly and monthly (rail) commutation tickets.......

"NYO"

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Also from "UPTOWN, DOWNTOWN":

"...........on June 1, 1927, a new passageway was opened between the 3rd Avenue El station (the El, like all other Manhattan elevateds, was, of course, operated by the INTERBOROUGH) and IRT subway station at 149th st. and 3rd Avenue, discontinuing the use of paper transfers, and eliminating the heavy crowds crossing that busy intersection........"

"NYO"

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From the same book:

".......On December 22, 1950, service on the 3rd Avenue el was discontinued between South Ferry to Chatham Square, and, also, between Gun Hill Road and 241st St. A paper transfer issuance was then implemented between the city-owned bus line and the El at Chatham Square, and between the El and the IRT/BMT subway stations below City Hall......"

"NYO"

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Photos and diagrams on this page on the IND's 167th St. station; note that, at one time (until 1948) a "trolley mezzanine" allowed for the movement of passengers transferring between the subway trains and the trolleys (TARS cars)*.......

www.columbia.edu/~brennan/abandoned/167st.html

(Note that the replacement buses used the former trolley platforms until about 1990)

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All:

The aforementioned IND-streetcar transfer point was the only such "setup" in the City.

Though there was the underground Delancey Street terminal for B&QT streetcars coming over the "Willy B" until the late 1940's, there was no "mezzanine" for passengers transferring between the BMT trains and the streetcars at Delancey,, as was the case at the IND's 167th St. station.

To date, I have never seen any photos whatsoever, showing the "pedestrian connection" between the trolley terminal and the BMT station......

"NYO"

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Mention must be made of the underground TARS station at 38th St......

www.columbia.edu/~brennan/abandoned/38st.html

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Before moving on from the subject of underground streetcar stations in Manhattan, let us recall the underground station that served "Bridge" cars from Queens until 1957 (buses also used this cramped facility).....

www.columbia.edu/~brennan/abandoned/qborobr.html

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Even more obscure today, the Second Avenue Railway......

https://www.newdavesrailpix.com/nyc/htm/mnyr04.htm

(courtesy: davesrailpix)