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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 27079 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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traildriver wrote: | Brings to mind the six GM SDM-5304's that Denver's RTD bought in 1975, to use on longer runs. They were so reminiscent of PS buses, to me.
The only problem with them was they had the manual transmission's, and the division they were used on had driver's that only knew automatics. Needless to say, they took a lot of gear clashing abuse by driver's just learning the art of double-clutching.
When my local railfan club chartered a bus from RTD, we specifically requested one of these on our railroad history tour. We also requested one of our members as the driver, and he did pretty well. |
traildriver:
As always, GREATLY appreciate your many memories and bus experiences....thanks for sharing here!
Here in New Jersey, a number of NJ suburban carriers purchased (first generation) Fishbowl suburbans early on.
All were air-conditioned, and, like the Old Looks before them, eventually becoming the backbone of the fleets then operated by the old New Jersey "indy" carriers.
By the 1980s, I felt that it was nothing short of DESECRATION when NJT buffed out the fancy "ORANGE & BLACK BUS LINES" script over the windows, but that was NOTHING compared to when NJT began repainting some of them into that dreaded "disco stripe dip" scheme.....UGGGHH!!
The very last of these classic workhorses disappeared by the very early 1990s, when NJT's suburban fleet was now virtually all MCI................
'NYO"
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Cyberider
Joined: 27 Apr 2007 Posts: 887 Location: Tempe, AZ
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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NYO,
Nice looking buses. Even the school bus lights couldn't detract from that.
Traildriver,
Lots of gear grinding on my SDM Fishbowl trip from LA to Riverside too! |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 27079 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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Cyberider:
Back in the heyday of the Old Look suburbans in New Jersey, these buses themselves (painted in the stylish liveries of many companies) indeed made for a true "Rainbow Fleet".
These handsome, powerful buses once proudly wore the stylish colors of:
PSNJ
ORANGE & BLACK
DE CAMP
INTER-CITY
SOMERSET
SUBURBAN
MANHATTAN LINES
RED & TAN
LAKELAND
By the mid-1950s, these buses had already become the backbone of most NJ suburban carriers............
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Cyberider:
Here is yet another handsome suburban Old Look, representing (yet another) long-defunct New Jersey suburban company..........
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?157325
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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Cyberider
Joined: 27 Apr 2007 Posts: 887 Location: Tempe, AZ
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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NYO,
Yes, I've seen many photos of those buses in books and online. You were truly blessed to have them all in NJ! Maybe that's why it's called the Garden State? A garden of beautifully painted buses when pride was taken in quality machinery. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 27079 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Cyberider wrote: | NYO,
Yes, I've seen many photos of those buses in books and online. You were truly blessed to have them all in NJ! Maybe that's why it's called the Garden State? A garden of beautifully painted buses when pride was taken in quality machinery. |
Cyberider:
VERY WELL SAID, MY FRIEND!
I could not have said it better MYSELF!
New Jersey's buses today are naught but giant milk cartons, rolling shoe boxes, and giant, slithering caterpillars............NOT A TRACE of what was once so commonplace, 60-odd years back the magic is ALL gone...........
"NYO"
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 27079 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2024 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Like some of the other suburban operators in New Jersey (such as PS and O&B), many years back, "RED & TAN" (a long-established company now part of the "COACH USA" conglomerate) also operated Old Looks I've termed "semi-suburbans".
These buses had a single door, transit-type seating, and standee windows.
Some of these classic buses lasted into the early 1980s.........I knew them quite well, indeed.......
"NYO"
https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154511
(courtesy: nycsubway.org)
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Cyberider
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Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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NYO:
Good looking buses but not as "important" and "dignified" looking as the real suburbans with the tall windows.
The New Look suburbans certainly didn't give that impression just by the deletion of the rear doors. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 27079 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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Cyberider wrote: | NYO:
Good looking buses but not as "important" and "dignified" looking as the real suburbans with the tall windows.
The New Look suburbans certainly didn't give that impression just by the deletion of the rear doors. |
Cyberider:
As I had noted earlier, PSNJ purchased a large number of 4509s after the War, used in both the replacement of older buses, and also, for the replacement of the remaining HUDSON/ESSEX Division streetcars.
The buses with rear doors were, of course, used on "local" routes, while those with a single door were used on the routes running into New York.
DE CAMP, after the War, purchased a group of single-door TD-4507s for service to New York; they had single doors, no standee windows, and parcel racks............
"NYO"
["NEW YORK VIA LINCOLN TUNNEL"] |
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traildriver
Joined: 26 Mar 2011 Posts: 2581 Location: South Florida
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Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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I prefer the new look suburbans. Besides the single door and the overhead racks, which also eliminated the standee windows; 🪟 the seats were on an elevated platform, which allowed all forward-facing seats, and more importantly provided space for underfloor baggage bays. This made them ideal for weekday use on line runs with their 49-53 passenger capacity, and weekend use on charters. Their optional limited recline seats, and V-8 power was also an enhancement. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Posts: 27079 Location: NEW JOISEY
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Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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traildriver:
After I began working in Lower Manhattan in 1979, if I opted for the bus into New York, and then the subway downtown, I rode ex-ORANGE & BLACK and ex-INTER-CITY suburban Fishbowls on the rush hour-only "RIVER ROAD EXPRESS" (MAPLEWOOD EQUIPMENT CO.-NJT)
In the early 1980s, there were also a few 4104s/4106s/"Buffalos" to savor as well!
I still recall first-generation Fishbowls (with the sleek-looking Art-Deco clearance lights) and the later models (with the smaller "bullet"-type clearance lights) dominating Anderson Avenue, our main "drag")
My faves were those buses that were still wearing their old O&B and INTER-CITY paint!
The older drivers I rode with regularly vastly preferred the Fishbowls over the newer types then entering service (and who could blame them?)
I also recall some of these buses have "sightseeing panels" in the roof; some of these buses once were owned by GREYHOUND, and were used for the 1964/1965 World's Fair.....what a treat!
Ahhh, what sweet memories.............
"NYO"
["NEW YORK EXPRESS"]
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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traildriver
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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 6:09 am Post subject: |
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NYO --
It was on an Orange & Black Suburban, an 'old look', that I began my USAF tour of duty, aboard...
After being sworn in at the AFEES (Armed Forces Entrance and Examining Station), at Fort Hamilton in Brooklyn, an O&B charter carried us new recruits over to JFK for our Braniff B-707 flight to San Antonio, TX to begin basic training at Lackland AFB. My very first airline flight.
That was my only ride on an O&B bus. Interesting that a NJ carrier got that government contract, but maybe not so surprising, as few NYC private bus lines rostered that type of equipment, suitable for that. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 10:53 am Post subject: |
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traildriver wrote: | NYO --
It was on an Orange & Black Suburban, an 'old look', that I began my USAF tour of duty, aboard...
After being sworn in at the AFEES (Armed Forces Entrance and Examining Station), at Fort Hamilton in Brooklyn, an O&B charter carried us new recruits over to JFK for our Braniff B-707 flight to San Antonio, TX to begin basic training at Lackland AFB. My very first airline flight.
That was my only ride on an O&B bus. Interesting that a NJ carrier got that government contract, but maybe not so surprising, as few NYC private bus lines rostered that type of equipment, suitable for that. |
traildriver:
GREAT MEMORIES.....THANK YOU for sharing here!
AFAIK, O&B's first-generation Fishbowls replaced the oldest of the MACKS (I think these were the C45/C-47 models); though I was quite young at the time, I DO indeed still recall them!
These buses had single doors and standee windows.
The next order of Fishbowls (again, this is what I believe) replaced the newer MACK suburbans (I think these were C-50s), around 1966 or so.
Quite awhile ago, I came across an online photo of an O&B Fishbowl carrying a load of "Freedom Riders" heading south, circa-1963!
O&B's Old Looks (I LOVED these buses!) were all retired by about 1977, towed off of the property at the Fairview garage, like so much unwanted junk.......NOT a pretty sight (and, indeed, a SAD one)
So many years, so many (TOO MANY!) changes.......
"NYO"
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Cyberider
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Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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traildriver wrote: | I prefer the new look suburbans. Besides the single door and the overhead racks, which also eliminated the standee windows; 🪟 the seats were on an elevated platform, which allowed all forward-facing seats, and more importantly provided space for underfloor baggage bays. This made them ideal for weekday use on line runs with their 49-53 passenger capacity, and weekend use on charters. Their optional limited recline seats, and V-8 power was also an enhancement. |
Tralldriver,
Thanks for the refresher on the advantages of the New Look suburbans. I'm kind of biased toward the Old Looks but perhaps the New Looks were more practical for that application even if they didn't look like anything special.
As I mentioned, I rode one once, even though I was disappointed that an Old Look wasn't assigned to that run. Kind of like a 4106 with a transit body. Too bad the driver couldn't shift gears properly. That ride was 51 years ago and I still remember it. |
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