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The Cruise Ship Companies: What Is The Future?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

Appreciate this info; thanks! Very Happy

I see I was on the right track as to "skeleton crews" for these sidelined ships; this, in itself, has to be a thorough job.

Regarding "mothballed" ships, recall, back in the 60's, the "Hudson River Ghost Fleet", that were then being used to store surplus grain, and were being retained against the need for re-activation?

I also recall that there was underwater electric current to fight corrosion.

Mom, myself, and my aunt, uncle, and cousins, viewed these silent, ghostly ships when we had made a "sightseeing" stop, on our way up to West Point, back in 1967.

I remember well the deep impression those old mothballed ships made on me, well over 50 years ago.......

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recalling the long-departed "Hudson River Reserve Fleet" (aka the "Ghost Fleet").........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_River_Reserve_Fleet
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also*:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Reserve_Fleet

*Interesting photos on this page......
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes...I recall drives along 9W viewing the 'mothball fleet", in my youth in the '50's.

It looks like the 'Big U', may be saved from its current fate, languishing on the Delaware, corroding away...
It should have been taken better care of, like the freighter's were, and never allowed to reach its current sorry state....

https://www.ssusc.org/news/rxr-realty-moving-forward-with-plans-to-restore-the-ss-united-states
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

Thanks for the link! Very Happy

The "UNITED STATES" was always one of my favorite "classic era" liners; we saw her docked in Manhattan several times back in the 60's, along the fabled "Luxury Liner Row".......like the other liners of that era, she indeed presented a truly majestic and monolithic appearance!

I have two tin litho toys of the "UNITED STATES" (the smaller is friction powered, and I've owned this since 1962); the larger is battery operated, and I purchased this one off of eBay several years back.......both historical relics in their own right!

This noble ship is now OOS longer than she was in service; as you said, she should NEVER have been allowed to decay and languish as much as she has, over the past several decades.

Back in her heyday, she was (as the fastest liner in the world) holder of the coveted Blue Ribbon; her record run, in July, 1952, took three days, ten hours, and forty minutes between the Ambrose lightship, and Bishop Rock, England.

She took this trophy from the "QUEEN MARY", a distinction she had held since 1938.

Interestingly, the "UNITED STATES" was the last liner to take the Ribbon.

Halycon days, to be sure..........

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More on the "UNITED STATES"*......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_United_States

*nice assortment of photos! Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Brian J. Cudahy's excellent book "AROUND MANHATTAN ISLAND AND OTHER MARITIME TALES OF NEW YORK" (1997), there is an excellent chapter (nearly 30 pages!) on the "UNITED STATES".

This chapter is an excellent little work unto itself, with a number of rare old photos; the book itself is a must for anyone interested in the "great old days" of New York Harbor, including histories the CIRCLE LINE, the NYFD's fireboats, and so much more......

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"UNITED STATES" trivia (from the aforemention Cudahy work).......

".....in 1955, at the height of her career, she made twenty-two round trips between Europe and New York, averaging 95% utilization, and, also, carried more passengers---70,194---than any other vessel than on the North Atlantic......."

".......the 'UNITED STATES' can also be called the last high-performance liner to be built especially, and exclusively, for fast North Atlantic service......"

"........a large lighted map aboard the 'UNITED STATES' that kept passengers informed of the ship's position during a voyage, had the ability to indicate but a single route: New York to the channel ports of Europe. Today, this map is on display in the Mariner's Museum in Newport News, Virginia......."

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver wrote:
The cruise ships that were already scheduled for major dry-docking refurbishment during this time, are the fortunate ones...dry docks for cruise ships are scarce, and are scheduled years ahead, so ship owner's can't just take advantage of slow booking period to take their ships out of service.

Ship's that are layed up, do need a 'skeleton crew' aboard. Minimal for security, but also mechanical people to maintain batteries, seals, insure that pipes don't freeze, that their is no pest control problem, etc...
I read on another site that Disney cruise is rotating 3 of there ships as follows on in port Canaveral one anchored offshore of port Canaveral and the last one at castaway cay. The move them around after several days.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiny Tim:

Thanks for sharing this info; this would seem to make sense.

As time goes by, the situation will become even more interesting, to see what transpires with the ships of so many cruise lines now idle for an extended period of time.

For all practical purposes, these fleets are now all "mothballed".

When the day comes (hopefully, not in the too distant future) where the companies again are sailing their ships, it will also be very interesting to see how much work it will entail to inspect these ships, and to make sure that all are AOK before the re-entry into service.....

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While discussing cruise ships/liners, it is interesting to remember that the old transatlantic liners were built with cavernous enclosed promenades, a must for any ship crossing the North Atlantic.

The cruise ships, on the other hand, were designed for a totally different type of service, cruising the tropics where more on-board open areas (and, of course, air-conditioning) are the norm, the total opposite of those ships that once crossed the North Atlantic to Europe.

In the late 1960's and early 1970's, as the long-established transatlantic liner routes declined and disappeared, all of the larger ships began to spend part of their annual work on cruise trips.

The older liners, designed for their place-to-place runs, were ill-suited for most cruise services.

Many of the old liners were simply too large to dock at many Caribbean and Mediterranean ports; others were now outdated, many lacking air-conditioning........

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also:

By the early 1980's, the cruise ship industry had reached a staggering new high....over $2 billion in revenues.

It is also interesting to note that, unlike the last of the classic North Atlantic liners, today's cruise ships are not in competition with the airlines; rather, they have their own distinct and solid niche in the transportation industry, and, hopefully, will, one day, be sailing the seas again on happy voyages......

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, "The Ship Of Many Names".......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Formosa_Queen

This handsome and massive vessel was one of the fist especially designed for cruise ship operations; sadly, she was scrapped in China, back in 2014.

Here is her interesting story, along with photos; not all was "smooth sailing" for this ship, over the decades.........

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiny Tim wrote:
traildriver wrote:
The cruise ships that were already scheduled for major dry-docking refurbishment during this time, are the fortunate ones...dry docks for cruise ships are scarce, and are scheduled years ahead, so ship owner's can't just take advantage of slow booking period to take their ships out of service.

Ship's that are layed up, do need a 'skeleton crew' aboard. Minimal for security, but also mechanical people to maintain batteries, seals, insure that pipes don't freeze, that their is no pest control problem, etc...
I read on another site that Disney cruise is rotating 3 of there ships as follows on in port Canaveral one anchored offshore of port Canaveral and the last one at castaway cay. The move them around after several days.


That is what's happening at cruise ship home ports, all over the world...
For example, Miami, one of the largest, that can handle 9 or 10 ships at a time, is homeported by many times that amount, but they are usually only in port on 'turnaround days', and spend from 3 or 4 days up to two weeks or even longer, cruising. So now, that they are all idle, they anchor in the harbor or offshore, and rotate in and out as needed for fuel, other supplies, etc.

Between the ports of Miami and Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach, there are a tremendouns number of cruise ships in proximity. You can see them all on this site....

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-78.6/centery:24.3/zoom:7
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

traildriver:

What has CUNARD been doing in recent years?

That CUNARD is even still in business is amazing, to say the least.

Sad when one considers that the great fleets of the FRENCH LINE, AMERICAN EXPORT LINES, ITALIAN LINE, AMERICAN PRESIDENT LINES, UNITED STATES LINES, HOLLAND-AMERICAN LINE, are now only memories......

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