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PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

You MAY be thinking of the old Brooklyn (69th St-St. George) ferry that was shut down in late 1964, when the VZ Bridge opened (that ferry would have made for a great alternate today, with the VZ often gridlocked!)

As I had mentioned previously, the 125th St. ferry stopped running in December, 1950 (this was a primarily vehicular route in its later years, that also would make for a convenient alternate today, with the GWB also hopelessly gridlocked at rush hours)

Ironically, the "ELECTRIC FERRIES" that operated on the 125th St. line went to the 69th St. crossing, where they operated until 1964 (Mom and I rode this ferry line many times, when I was a kid)

Interestingly, PSNJ operated the 125th St. Ferry until 1943 (their streetcars and buses carried ads for the ferry line)

The famed HUDSON RIVER DAY LINE (then operating the "PETER STUYVESANT" and "ALEXANDER HAMILTON") discontinued operations to the 125th St. pier in 1964.

Until 1933, steamboats of the "IRON STEAMBOAT COMPANY"* docked several blocks north (129th), and sailed out to Coney Island (service to the Rockaways ended after the 1931 season)......

"NYO"

*At the end of "IRON STEAMBOAT SERVICE" service, the round trip fare from Manhattan to Coney Island was $1.00, whereas a round-trip fare on either the BMT's elevateds (from Park Row) or subways was only 10 cents; this, of course, made for a tremendous savings during the lean Depression years, especially for families.

The boats, themselves, were quite old (walking-beam engined sidewheelers) so, all things considered, it was no surprise that the company went under, as picturesque and relaxing as the voyages were.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

125th St., 1949*.

The TARS streetcar era is now history (note the tracks are still visible) and new SURFACE buses are now the Kings Of The Road.......

http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/tars/htm/tars153.htm

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*At the time of this photo, the 125th St. Ferry to Edgewater was still in operation (it would be shut down by the end of 1950), and the steamers of the HUDSON RIVER DAY LINE were also still docking at the 125th St. pier.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's also worthwhile remembering that 125th St. is the location of the only "elevated" station in Manhattan today.........

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
It's also worthwhile remembering that 125th St. is the location of the only "elevated" station in Manhattan today.........

"NYO"


Let's not forget 207th, 215th and 225th Streets (the last one is Marble Hill but still Manhattan).
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
It's also worthwhile remembering that 125th St. is the location of the only "elevated" station in Manhattan today.........

"NYO"


Let's not forget 207th, 215th and 225th Streets (the last one is Marble Hill but still Manhattan).


Correct.

We also have to remember the stations of the "original" els that once were located on 125th St.; ditto, the former NYCRR/NH (today's Metro-North), still a very busy facility today.....

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then, as now, 125th St. was the principal artery in uptown Manhattan; the subways and the Els had stops at 125th, as well as the NYCRR/NH railroads.

At the western foot of 125th St. was the busy 125th St. ferry to Edgewater, which shut down in late 1950.

The eastern end of the thoroughfare was marked by access to the Willis Avenue Bridge, and, by the later 1930's, the Triborough Bridge.

In the TARS streetcar era, the 3rd & Amsterdam main line, the the Willis Avenue line, the Broadway-Kingsbridge line, and the crosstown shuttle service, all traveled on 125th.

(above information from: "ACROSS NEW YORK BY TROLLEY", by Frederick Kramer)

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lexington & 126th, 1972.

Here we have #6720 holding down a "TB" run (bus is now sporting the new MTA blue scheme).

Also note the "RHEINGOLD" batwing ads, the "Bus Stop Luncheonette" on the left, and, in the background, two-light traffic signals.......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2192

(courtesy: bus.nycsubway.org)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Lexington & 126th, 1972.

Here we have #6720 holding down a "TB" run (bus is now sporting the new MTA blue scheme).

Also note the "RHEINGOLD" batwing ads, the "Bus Stop Luncheonette" on the left, and, in the background, two-light traffic signals.......

http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?2192

(courtesy: bus.nycsubway.org)

#6720, at the time, was based out of 146th Street depot - as was the TB route. By the next year or two TB would be reassigned to 100th Street, and the bus numbers would be a tad different.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.

Quick questions on the "TB"

When did the line begin operation?

Any particular buses assigned to the line?

Was the route eventually discontinued, or does it still run today, albeit with a different number?

Thanks.....

"NYO".....
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
W.B.

Quick questions on the "TB"

When did the line begin operation?

Any particular buses assigned to the line?

Was the route eventually discontinued, or does it still run today, albeit with a different number?

Thanks.....

"NYO".....

First of all, it was started under New York City Omnibus Corporation aegis on July 11, 1936 (the very day the Triborough Bridge opened), consisting originally of the Manhattan-Astoria (Bureau of Franchises number MQ-25) and Bronx-Astoria (BoF number BxQ-19) branches; the third leg, Manhattan-Wards Island (BoF number M-62), didn't commence until May 15, 1937. It was the only NYCO route to have been started from scratch and not to have been either: a) converted from an old streetcar route, or b) acquired from other companies. It was also the only instance of NYCO penetrating both Queens and the Bronx, and the only one with a higher fare than their other routes. From 1956 to 1962, of course, it was administered under the NYCO Division of Fifth Avenue Coach Lines, Inc. No doubt at the start, Yellow 718's would have been used.

In its early years, TB would have been assigned out of the 146th Street depot. As the years went on, especially the early years of MaBSTOA, it was ping-ponged between that garage and 100th Street (which housed it from 1964-69 and again from c.1973-75, up to that point). On July 1, 1974, the whole schleboodle was divvied up into three different numbers: M34 (Lexington Avenue-Wards Island/Randalls Island), M35 (Lexington Avenue-Astoria Boulevard), and Bx21 (Bruckner Boulevard-Astoria Boulevard). Within a year, these three routes would be shuffled off to the 132nd Street depot (though by the early 1980's, Bx21 would be brought to Walnut depot in the Bronx and M35 back to 100th). In 1976, the M34 was discontinued, but its route to Wards Island would be folded into the M35 (oddly, though, a late 1976 roll sign made for 132nd listed M34). The Bx21 leg was the least travelled, so it was discontinued on Feb. 18, 1984. Then after the M60 route was commenced in 1992, the Astoria branch of M35 became redundant, so that would be discontinued on Sept. 10, 1995.

It is deeply ironic that the route that was put into service the last - Manhattan to Wards Island - is the only one to have survived to this day, under the M35 moniker.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B.:

Again, thank you for a truly intriguing and fascinating "time travel moment", regarding the ancestry and history of the "TB" line.

Once again, it is easy to see that there is so much of tremendous interest, in regards to tracing back the history of New York bus routes.

If you do not mind Your's Truly saying this, but, if you were hired by the "Tee-Yay"/MaBSTOA, back in the 60's, rest assured you'd end up a key man in the the Traffic Department......I can also see you making one heckuva dispatcher or depot supervisor! Very Happy

"The (not so) Few, The Proud, the 'Tee-Yay'/MaBSTOA men....Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Under NYCO operations the TB route was assigned 10 buses, numbers 422-431, Yellow Coach model 740.

This information comes from the Motor Coach Age issue dated February 1969 on New York City Omnibus. The information above is dated December 28, 1950.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA 15 wrote:
Under NYCO operations the TB route was assigned 10 buses, numbers 422-431, Yellow Coach model 740.

This information comes from the Motor Coach Age issue dated February 1969 on New York City Omnibus. The information above is dated December 28, 1950.


MaBSTOA 15:

Thanks for this information.

Ten buses does not seem like a whole lot of buses for a given route, but, then again, I'm sure that the buses allocated to the "TB" were sufficient enough to provide adequate service.....

"NYO"

BTW:

Was the "TB" a 24-hour operation, or did it run only during certain hours?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heres #425 in TB service

The destination sign reads:

Triborough Bridge Line / 138th St. & Bruckner Blvd. Bronx



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ANOTHER rare gem to savor!!!!! Very Happy

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