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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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W.B. Fishbowl
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:36 am Post subject: |
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Must've been a really short-run if they terminated at 110th . . . |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:13 am Post subject: |
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W.B. Fishbowl wrote: |
Must've been a really short-run if they terminated at 110th . . . |
.......if they were short on available buses at that time, this could have been a result of the removal of service of the ill-fated GRUMMANS.
Rest assured, there had to be a LOT of "fun" (the kind of fun that ISN'T funny) in scrambling around with the MTA trying to find enough buses to pick up the slack.......
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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W.B. Fishbowl
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | W.B. Fishbowl wrote: |
Must've been a really short-run if they terminated at 110th . . . |
.......if they were short on available buses at that time, this could have been a result of the removal of service of the ill-fated GRUMMANS.
Rest assured, there had to be a LOT of "fun" (the kind of fun that ISN'T funny) in scrambling around with the MTA trying to find enough buses to pick up the slack.......
"NYO" |
These "short runs" weren't necessarily Grumman related; in the thread of roll signs of individual depots/garages, the 1976 front roll sign of 132nd Street showed that very end destination of 110th as an option (as they also did for those traveling via Convent Avenue). "Short run" is usually a super-condensed version of a route, traveling on an alternating basis with the regular routes. M-101, for example, as of 1960, had two "short-runs" outside of their usual 193rd Street-to-City Hall route: an already existing (as of a 1958 route map from Surface Transit and Westchester Street Transportation) 96th Street-to-6th Street branch, and one started in '60 that ran from 125th to 23rd Street, driven by Fifth Avenue Coach drivers (as opposed to ST drivers), and was basically a replacement for the NYCO Division #3 Lexington Avenue line, to placate FACL drivers concerned about the one-way conversions of Third and Lexington Avenues. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Great info, as always,; thanks for posting here.
Back in the PSNJ/TNJ/early NJT era, there were certain runs, that, during rush hours, were extended past their normal northern terminal points and ran a few miles beyond.
One I clearly remember were the certain rush hour runs on the old ex-PSNJ/TNJ #44, which was extended from its normal northern terminal (Nungessers) a few miles northwards to Palisades Junction (this was a VERY busy streetcar.bus transfer point through 1938)
Many times I used this VERY convenient rush hour extension, particularly when the weather was less than pleasant.
As you might expect, NJT did away with this rush-hour run eons ago.
Long ago, riders of ACADEMY's #22 (Hoboken-Fort Lee) raised hell (Your's Truly included) when the company had alternate buses terminating at Nungessers, instead of going all the way up to Fort Lee.
This was NOT pleasant in bad weather, let me tell you!
Thankfully, ACADEMY scrapped that plan, and all buses outbound from Hoboken once again traveled all the way up to Fort Lee (Palisades Junction)
However, NJT cut back the #22 (which it now operated) to Nungessers, about 2005, further decimating already spotty NJT bus service in my area (broken-down jitney vans, however, are in overwhelming numbers here)..........aaahhh, progress!
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Lenox & 110th, 1981.
It's clear that Flex #9288 is filling in for #2 subway service.......
http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3242
(courtesy: bus.nycsubway.org) |
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W.B. Fishbowl
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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The 'LENOX AVE' sign at the northwest corner of 110th appears to be circa 1965, in terms of dating; that was the only bunch to use 5" high type for avenue or street names. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
I see you are like me; just as the buses themselves will easily date a vintage photograph, so will the street signs.
I started working in lower Manhattan in 1979, and, until I retired in 2003, I saw quite a bit of changes over the years, including buses, taxis, subway cars, street signs, traffic signals, street lighting, and store signage.
Though, of course, the BUSES are the MAIN "point of interest" in the old photos we so intensely discuss here, it is the "background" that indeed "dates" the scene, as much as the buses do.....
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W.B. Fishbowl
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Truth, I wouldn't have been that enamored of them either - all of those buses had the TransDOT electronic signs that are my least favorite among them. I've expressed my preference in past posts to the Luminator signs of Grumman and the 'T8J-' RTS buses.
But then, these weren't the only ones "foreign" to the usual group of buses built by the usual entities; in the late 1930's New York City Omnibus (and Fifth Avenue Coach) ordered a couple of White buses on some crosstown routes (here plying NYCO's Route 17 - 79th Street Crosstown):
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Like yourself, those experimental buses really did nothing for me; I much preferred the Fishbowls, Flexies, Grummans, and the RTS.
LOVE that WHITE 798; NOT the type of bus you generally associate with New York City!
In my area in New Jersey, for a good part of the 60's, WHITES were quite common (as transits and suburbans)
The older 798's, in particular, were quite handsome; the last vanished around 1967.
As far as electronic signs go (and, of course, I much prefer rollsigns!) I also, like yourself, preferred the GRUMMAN-style signs, and also the RTS "T8J"......
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 BusTalk's Offical Welcoming Committee
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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Broadway & 159th, 1983*.......
http://bus.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3277
(courtesy: bus.nycsubway.org)
*One thing I've noticed quite a bit here, in these late 1970's/early 1980's bus photos, is that, with very few exceptions, air conditioners are virtually unseen in almost most of the windows of the older apartment buildings/brownstones, old buildings that CLEARLY did not have central air!
In some photos, you'll see SOME a/c units in the windows of the surrounding buildings, but these are certainly in the minority.
NO WONDER why these residents PRAYED that they might be lucky enough to ride to work aboard a bus or a subway train that had (working) a/c!
That is something ELSE so many of us take for granted today.........
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