BusTalk

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Cyberider:

Indeed, too bad that you did not reside in my area of northern New Jersey, back in the 1960s and 1970s; Fishbowl suburbans were as commonplace then as cracks in the sidewalk!

Like the Old Looks before them, Fishbowl suburbans were EVERYWHERE in NJ, and NO COMPLAINTS whatsoever from Your's Truly!

Man, the hundreds of times I rode them, way back in my much younger years.........

"NYO"

["53C-NEW YORK VIA G.W. BRIDGE"]

[NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629]

Talk about a SURPRISE!!!!

I've been researching PSNJ for decades, but NEVER knew that PSNJ rostered 4104s with SIGHTSEEING PANELS in the roof!

I just received a copy of William A. Luke's OUTSTANDING "HIGHWAY BUSES OF THE 20th CENTURY", and, lo and behold, there is a photo of a PS 4104 with sightseeing panels in the roof.........WOW!!!!!

ALWAYS something new to learn in the bus hobby!

"NYO"

['NEWARK"]

[Cyberider]

So many books. So little time and bookshelf space!

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[NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629]

Newark City Subway's Rochester "relation"..........

Until 1956, streetcars in Rochester utilized a subway, that was, in a number of respects, a "kissin' cousin' to PSNJ's City Subway in Newark.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochester_subway

Like Newark's streetcar subway, Rochester's "subway" was also built on the bed of an abandoned canal.

Also, like Newark, streetcars used ramps at several locations to enter and leave the subway.

Too, as was the case with the Newark City Subway, only a few stations were actually underground.

Sadly, the long-abandoned "subway" has been filled in, destroying any future use for either light rail or rapid transit.

Thankfully, one of the streetcars that once served the subway has been preserved...........

"NYO"

["SUBWAY CAR-SAVE TIME & PARKING"]

[Cyberider]

Thanks, NYO. That's a new one for me.

[NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629]

Cyberider:

You are quite welcome!

Just think of what MIGHT have happened in Rochester, had the old streetcar subway ROW been re-used for light rail or heavy-rail rapid transit.

Boston's Green Line grew and expanded over the years, from the original Tremont Stret Subway of 1897, and Philadelphia still has streetcar (LRV) subway-surface operations on several lines.

And the PE had the Hollywood Subway, which did not feature any "on line" stations underground out of the Subway Terminal, but was used as a corridor for suburban cars entereng downtown LA...........

"NYO"

["PARK ST. VIA SUBWAY"]

[NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629]

Another QUITE obscure (i.e. never completed) subway was to have operated in Cincinnati, for both surface cars and rapid transit trains; never-used remains of what NEVER was still are intact today, at some locations.

This would have been quite an interesting operation indeed, if it had ever been completed.........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Subway

See also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetcars_in_Cincinnati (this unique system also featured the only double-overhead wire streetcar system in the United States; some interesting photos are also on this page!)

["RACE STREET"]

["34"]

[NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629]

The long-gone (closed prior to 1950) Mt. Adams Incline in Cincinnati not only carried streetcars, but also, trolley buses.......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Adams_Incline

The incline "cars" themselves were equipped with catenary.

Several other inclines also once operated in the city.

The Mount Adams incline, especially, was another totally unique operation that had to have been fascinating to experience, way back in the day..........

"NYO"

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Also of interest............

www.thecincinnatisubway.com/

["DOWNTOWN"]

[Cyberider]

It seems that a number of cities had subway aspirations.

As for inclines, I think we've discussed L.A.'s Angel's Flight. There was also the nearby Court Flight. Also, at the beach in Playa del Rey, there was another one that climbed the bluff above the beach. Perhaps PE passengers on the Playa del Rey/Redondo line used it to access their homes from the PE line.

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Cyberider:

Plans for a subway in Newark predated WW1; original plans called for a heavy-rail rapid transit subway, but that plan fell out of favor, replaced by a streetcar subway, whose connecting lines only lasted for not even 20 years.

The replacement of the subway-surface car lines were as follows:

23 CENTRAL (December, 1947)

21 ORANGE/VIA W. MARKET (late 1951)

29 BLOOMFIELD (March, 1952)

All of these lines were gone before the arrival of the PCCs in late 1953........

"NYO"

["7 CITY SUBWAY"]

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Cyberider:

In Hudson County (where my Mom, my brothers, and I all grew up) there were two "wagon lifts"; one between W. Hoboken (now Union City) and Weehawken, and Jersey City Heights to Hoboken.

The former was gone by WW1; the latter lasted until 1935, carrying horse-drawn wagons, early motor trucks, and passengers (both my folks recalled this breathtaking installation!)

By the 1920s, the one connecting to Hoboken was operated by PSNJ......

"NYO"

["PSNJ"]

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Cyberider:

This early postcard shows the W. Hoboken "wagon lift" on the left (there were two incline cars operating on adjoining tracks) alongside the famed PSNJ "Hoboken El" (highest trolley trestle in the world!), used by streetcars until 1949.

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?141443

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

The wagon lift was originally operated by steam engines, but was later operated by electricity...........

"NYO"

["PUBLIC SERVICE RAILWAY"]

[Cyberider]

NYO,

Very interesting!

I almost forgot about the rather significant Great incline on the Mt Lowe Railway, built by Professor Thaddeus Lowe and operated by PE when Lowe's company became insolvent.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Lowe_Railway