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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flatbush & Livingston, circa-1950......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117775

(courtesy: nycsubway.org

Here we have two single-ended 6000's (these cars were retired in 1951), and, on the right, a new BoT MACK......

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a rare interior interior view of the ENY depot, circa-1940........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117440

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Circa-1949/1950, we have a 6000-series car meeting PCC #1069 (Vanderbilt & Grand Army Plaza)

Note, also, the pole-mounted "TROLLEY STATION" sign, once numerous throughout Brooklyn.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?140906

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Circa-1949/1950, we have a 6000-series car meeting PCC #1069 (Vanderbilt & Grand Army Plaza)

Note, also, the pole-mounted "TROLLEY STATION" sign, once numerous throughout Brooklyn.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?140906

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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What strikes me about this photo is that the Plaza is an oval with an arch in the center. For some reason, each of the streetcar routes kept to a double-track layout, not treating the place as a circle. For example, Vanderbilt Avenue was joined to Prospect Park West in the most direct way, leading to double tracks along the edge of Prospect Park. The heavy Flatbush Avenue may have connected the two sections of Flatbush Avenue with only a slight deviation from straight. (Memory does not help me.)
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I am quite certain that automobiles were allowed to drive both directions on Prospect Park West, but they may have had only the one curbside lane to use. Nowadays, Prospect Park West has bicycle lanes where northbound PCC's traveled, parking over of southbound tracks, two more southbound lanes, and by the curb a row of parked cars. All southbound.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe:

I find this information interesting; thanks for sharing.

Though most old Brooklyn streetcar photos I have seen over the years (both in books and online) most photos show the cars operating on two-way streets; however, there are some that show the streetcars running on one-way thoroughfares.

I've read in my books on Baltimore's streetcars (last cars ran in late 1963) that one of the the things that helped kill the streetcars in the city was the conversion of a number of two-way streets into one-ways.

Of course, this would not have been much of a problem for buses, but, for streetcars, well, this was another story altogether.......

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

N4 Jamaica wrote:
NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
Circa-1949/1950, we have a 6000-series car meeting PCC #1069 (Vanderbilt & Grand Army Plaza)

Note, also, the pole-mounted "TROLLEY STATION" sign, once numerous throughout Brooklyn.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?140906

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

["1069"]

What strikes me about this photo is that the Plaza is an oval with an arch in the center. For some reason, each of the streetcar routes kept to a double-track layout, not treating the place as a circle. For example, Vanderbilt Avenue was joined to Prospect Park West in the most direct way, leading to double tracks along the edge of Prospect Park. The heavy Flatbush Avenue may have connected the two sections of Flatbush Avenue with only a slight deviation from straight. (Memory does not help me.)
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I am quite certain that automobiles were allowed to drive both directions on Prospect Park West, but they may have had only the one curbside lane to use. Nowadays, Prospect Park West has bicycle lanes where northbound PCC's traveled, parking over of southbound tracks, two more southbound lanes, and by the curb a row of parked cars. All southbound.


Joe:

This picture of PCC #1069, at Prospect Park W. & Grand Army Plaza (taken about 1950) might be something that you personally remember.....

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117358

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also:

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?140789 *

*(Note the 6000-series car in the background; this tells us that the photo was taken prior to 1952; the 6000's were retired in 1951)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's single-ended #6060 at Grand Army Plaza, about 1950.

Note the Old Look on the left............

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117798

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is an excellent track map of Brooklyn streetcar lines in 1946. It may be enlarged for a study of Grand Army Plaza or anyplace else. At the bottom right corner is a list of those who contributed to the map. Dad was age 50, I ten. However, I can put a face on five or six of the contributors. Dad especially praised Herman Rinke. Yes, I did attend at least one E.R.A. meeting upstairs at Hoboken Terminal. When the office moved to 145 Greenwich Street, meetings were held at the Pennsylvania Station Y, in the lounge. Some members could get ornery, disputatious, and that wasted slide show or movie time.

Map https://mapcollections.brooklynhistory.org/map/track-map-of-brooklyn-surface-lines-division-n-y-city-transit-system-electric-railroaders-association/
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe:

I thank you for this link; I will indeed greatly enjoy delving into it later this evening! Wink

You mentioned the old ERA; I still regret never joining; I still cannot fathom why I never did.

I greatly enjoy reading about the old ERA, and thew many fantrips they once sponsored (was QUITE a fascinating array of vintage equipment to choose from, back in the day (streetcar/subway/elevated)

I've read much about George Horn, Don Harold, and Roger Acara (his outstanding books on the NYW&B have always been tremendous favorites of mine)

In the really old ERA/NRHS fantrip photos, the fellows indeed were quite well-dressed (a far, far cry from most folks today)

It is not surprising that, today, there is so little left of the ERA; I know the NY Chapter had a HUGE membership, back in the day.

Personal question:

Did you (and Dad) ride the last Brooklyn cars in 1956? (the last Peter Witts and 6000's?)

How about the last run of the Manhattan 3rd Avenue El in 1955?

The "Triboro Trolley Tours"?

The last TARS cars?

I know that the ERA sponsored fantrips on the old BMT "Multis" prior to their retirement in 1961.

Truly sad that much of the "old contingent" from the glory days of the ERA have long since retired to that big car house in the sky......

"NYO"

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This classic and nostalgic circa-1948 photo shows decorated convertible #4573 on an ERA excursion.........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?141932

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another photo from the same ERA fantrip.........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117666

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Late-1940's TARS fantrip.........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?132538

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?132539

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2023 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

During the weeks prior to the abandonment of the 3rd Avenue El in Manhattan (1955) there were, of course, ERA and NRHS excursions, all well-patronized; the abandonment of the Manhattan section* of the El also saw the retirement of the remaining "MUDC" elevated cars.

This photo shows the last train in 1955.

*(Service to South Ferry and City Hall had already been abandoned by 1955).........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?75739

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another time, another world...........

In this 1940 photo, we see a very early NRHS excursion, complete with with a dapper and dandy crowd of members, posing with convertible #3953.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117598

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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