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On This Day in 1936 (March 25) . . .

 
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W.B. Fishbowl



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:38 am    Post subject: On This Day in 1936 (March 25) . . . Reply with quote

. . . New York Railways' Lexington Avenue and Lexington-Lenox streetcar routes are converted to bus operation, as Routes 3 (between 131st and 23rd Streets) and 4 (between 146th-Lenox and 8th Street-4th Avenue), operated under the aegis of New York City Omnibus Corporation. These are the last north-south NYRys routes to be so "bustituted"; for the next three months, all remaining conversions would be of crosstown routes.

Both would remain until July 1960, when Third and Lexington Avenues are made one-way; the #3 would essentially be rebranded as a short-run M-101, and its northern terminus cut back to 125th Street; the #4's replacement took a long, circuitous turn, with Fifth Avenue Coach Lines initially extending the #2 - Park Avenue South-Madison Avenue line to 146th Street and Lenox Avenue; except for the 1966 one-way conversions of Fifth and Madison Avenues which saw MaBSTOA "merge" that route with FACCo's old #2 - Fifth and Seventh Avenues line (and the old NYCO #2 rebranded as the "Lenox Avenue branch" while FACCo's became the #2A "Seventh Avenue branch"), that was to be how matters stood until March 1969 when the #2 was discontinued and replaced with a de facto "revival" of the old #4 in the form of #101A - Third, Lexington and Lenox Avenues between 147th-Lenox and Park Row-City Hall (known since 1974 as M102).
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.B:

Interesting historical information, for certain!

Many forget that other conduit streetcars (besides TARS) once ran in Manhattan)

Am curious; as both TARS and NYRys used conduit trackage, was there were ever any physical connection between the two systems, or were they totally independent of each other?

"NYO"

["THIRD AVENUE RAILWAY SYSTEM"]
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
W.B:

Interesting historical information, for certain!

Many forget that other conduit streetcars (besides TARS) once ran in Manhattan)

Am curious; as both TARS and NYRys used conduit trackage, was there were ever any physical connection between the two systems, or were they totally independent of each other?

"NYO"

["THIRD AVENUE RAILWAY SYSTEM"]

From my reading, both TARS and NYRys trackage had some degree of sharing dating back to when the entire streetcar network, prior to the 1911 breakup, was under the control of the Metropolitan Street Railway. (Which was tied in to the IRT.)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm no expert, but someplace at Times Square, the two systems shared running rails, but there were two conduits. The plow could move side to side. In the 1940's, at some places the TARS conduit was off center, and I was told that was the reason.
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