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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This undated photo shows the elevated BMT storage yard near the Sands St. complex; look closely and you will see that some of the El cars are still equipped with trolley poles......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?113232

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another undated photo; in this view, we see an elderly deck roof car (2500 series) sandwiched between two PCC's.........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?140829

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In these photos, we see double-ended Peter Witts (8000's) on the Brooklyn Bridge (pre- and post-1944).......................

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?118095

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?142043

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are several views of 8000 series Peter Witts on the Nortons Point line....

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?141000 *

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?141018

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?141048

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?141072

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?141082

*This photo shows the elevated connection between the BMT station at Stillwell Avenue and the terminal for the Nortons Point cars)

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
This interesting 1942 photo has a PCC gliding along Brooklyn Bridge trackage with a BMT El train (note the convertible car) rumbling alongside.

In 1944, when the El trains stopped running across the bridge, the streetcars would be shifted over to the former El tracks, after the third rail was removed, and the overhead trolley wire relocated.....

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?132316

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Allow me to boast. Mom, her mother (Nan), my sister and I did ride a PCC all the way from Coney Island to Park Row. On the bridge, the car used the outer roadway, the sole time I did that. On Sunday, March 5, 1944, Dad brought me to Park Row and we rode the final el train to Bridge Street. I recall watching workers placing a new bumper behind our train. I have the free transfer issued there to transfer to the Independent.
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On the earlier trip, I suspect we rode the T car from Park Row and later transferred to a K car to reach Marble Hill. The adults probably paid three nickels for that Coney Island to Marble Hill trip, the second nickel at Bartel Pritchard Square.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe:

GREAT MEMORIES!!!! Very Happy

Man, I'd give ANYTHING to go back in time and make that same trip! Wink

Back in the 1920's and early 1930's, Mom, her mother, stepfather, and her brother and sisters would make several excursions out to Coney Island, each summer.

They'd take a PS streetcar from Union City down to the Hoboken Terminal (via the "El"), then the DL&W ferry to Barclay Street.

They'd walk from there to Park Row (Mom always called it "City Hall") to board a BMT El train for Coney Island; Mom remembered how noisy it was, and what a mob scene, with so many trains loading and unloading.

When their train pulled in (if it wasn't the "BU" convertibles), Mom's job was to climb through an open window, to save seats for the family!

Mom remember looking out the train windows and seeing the streetcars "one in back of the other" crossing the Bridge.

Going home in the late afternoon/early evening, Mom again would climb through the window of their Park Row-bound train, to save seats for her tired, but happy, family!

She also remember seeing the elevated walkway at Stillwell Avenue, where "you could walk to the elevated trolley station".

She loved the cries of the vendors and hawkers at Stillwell Avenue, the jingling and hooting of the carousel music, and, most especially, loved when their Coney Island-bound train neared the ocean, and the first cool, salt-tinged breezes would waft through the hot El cars (I also remember this same tantalizing experience aboard "Standards" and "Triplexes", back in the early 1960's (Mom and I rode out from Times Square)

Today, even the old Stillwell Avenue terminal is gone; like the Park Row and Sands St. stations, and the old Elevated trains and streetcars themselves, they now survive only in the memories of those old enough to remember, as well as in long-ago photos.......


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe:

You mentioned "Bartel-Pritchard"; here are several views with both older equipment and PCC's.........

"NYO"

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?30902

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?94194

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?140740

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?140653

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?140847

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?141055

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a fascinating view taken at Sands Street, back in the days when the El trains and streetcars both served the cavernous facility (this picture dates to 1939)

Of particular interest here (with a Peter Witt leaving the station) is the extremely complex overhead trusswork that supported the trolley wires.

Note, also, the BMT interlocking tower, straddling the tracks.

Hard to believe that nothing seen here exists today......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?118067

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here we have an 8000-series Peter Witt on The Brooklyn Bridge, heading for Sands St., circa-1940.

Note the BMT el train entering the Park Row terminal in the background......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?141088

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Compare this 1950 photo with the previous image:

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?140805

By the time of this photo, the "bridge trolleys" were gasping their last, about to be cut back to the Brooklyn side of the span.

The El trains had already been gone six years; with the streetcars now using the former El tracks, an additional vehicular lane was created in either direction.

The BB has the distinction today of being the only major East River crossing that does not carry any sort of public transportation vehicles......

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How's THIS for RARE?? Shocked

Here's a still from 1942's "TARZAN'S NEW YORK ADVENTURE" (1942)

Note the PCC caught in the traffic jam on the Brooklyn Bridge, when Tarzan's taxicab is halted by police.

In the background, an older, Brooklyn-bound streetcar can just be glimpsed, as can the Park Row BMT el terminal.......

https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_286100-Plymouth-Business-Sedan-P-3-1937.jpg

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How's THIS for RARE?? Shocked

Here's a still from 1942's "TARZAN'S NEW YORK ADVENTURE" (1942)

Note the PCC caught in the traffic jam on the Brooklyn Bridge, when Tarzan's taxicab is halted by police.

In the background, an older, Brooklyn-bound streetcar can just be glimpsed, as can the Park Row BMT el terminal.......

https://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_286100-Plymouth-Business-Sedan-P-3-1937.html

(courtesy: imcdb.org)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This photo of a PCC crossing the Brooklyn Bridge was taken after 1944.

Note that new girderwork (for supporting the overhead trolley wires) has been installed over the former BMT El tracks.

This was all removed in 1950, after the streetcars stopped crossing the bridge, and additional vehicular lanes were added.

The original trolley arm brackets, that extended out over the roadway until 1944, have been removed.

This particular car is seen assigned to Route #69.........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117354

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trivia note:

B&QT's #1009* had the distinction of being the first PCC to cross over the Brooklyn Bridge from Park Row, when PCC service first began.....

"NYO"

*(First PCC run over the Brooklyn Bridge was on the #68 [Erie Basin] line)


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PCC #1000 was a unique car in the B&QT fleet; not only was it the only CLARK-built car on the roster, it was also the only car to feature standee windows, which were, of course, commonplace on postwar PCC's.

This post-1944 photo shows #1000 exiting the former El trackage on the Brooklyn side of the bridge...........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?7689

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