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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MTA/London comparisons......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Transit_Authority

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_for_London

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Transport_Board
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found these two photos in the internet...

It looks like they were taken in England...



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaBSTOA15:

What a WONDERFUL way to start a Monday! Very Happy

"BOAC" (British Overseas Airways" advertised quite a bit on LT buses, back in the 50's and 60'ss.

I have seen many photos (in my LT library) of LT buses sporting postwar BOAC ads, hailing the SUPER "G" Contsellation and the "COMET (first commercial jet)

By the 1950's, BEA (British European Airways) was operating a very distinctive fleet of bilevel airport coaches; these coaches had spacious luggage space beneath the raised passenger section to the rear.

Their bodywork was designed jointly by LT and BEA; the bodies were mounted on AEC chassis.

"MATCHBOX" offered die-cast miniatures of thee handsome coaches, way back in the day (I have one in my collection today, which I've owned since 1961!)

LOVE those classic "RT's"; the top photo reflects the long-ago day when LT bus crews were quite proud of their natty uniforms.....

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vintage views of BEA and BOAC airport buses/coaches (note the luggage trailers, hauled by front-entrance ROUTEMASTERS!)

www.yellins.com/transporthistory/Bus/airport.html


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a detailed page on the distinctive BEA airport coaches of the 1950's and 1960's; thankfully, several examples have been preserved.......

www.countrybus.org/rf/RF6.htm


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BOAC's stately ATLANTEAN's......

www.showbus.co.uk/gallery/boac.htm
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scroll down the page to see the 1930's-era "INTER-STATION" Cubs*.

In later years, BEA used these most unusual front-engined "bilevel" buses for a brief time......

www.countrybus.org/C/Cub.html

*(Originally, these buses were used as train service connections in London, shuttling between the large terminals)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also:

www.old-bus-photos.co.uk/?p=38971
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wanted to share this interesting bit of historical trivia from London.....

On 15th February, 1952 (the day of King George VI's funeral), at 2PM, a national two-minutes silence was decreed.

All LT bus crews were instructed to stop their buses, switch off their engines, and then remove their uniform caps and stand at attention beside their vehicles.

Also, all Tube trains were also halted during that two-minute period silence.....

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Though I've used this nostalgic old (1973) photo before, it is always interesting to note the tremendous differences* in appearance between an American Fishbowl and a London double-decker (in this case, an "RT")

Back in the day, a distinct "family resemblence" (due to the long-etablished, "traditional" British half-cab) between (rear-engined) pre-Atlantean London double-deckers and single-deckers (up through the "T" class) was most apparent.

"Flat-face", single-deck LT buses did not begin to appear until 1952, with the introduction of the new "RF" Class.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?154486

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

Look closely at the small "ears" on the "RT", extending out from the bottom of the upper deck; these were "trafficators" (flashing turn signals) which began to be installed on LT buses (double and single-deck) beginning in 1956).......
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Earlier in this discussion, we'd talked of several "RT" double-deckers sent to North America on a publicity/goodwill tour, in the early 1950's.

In 1954, LT sent one "RT" (RT4769) to Holland; the Board of Trade wanted to show a flag at the Trade Fair at Maastrict, Holland.

An LT crew accompanied to the bus overseas to the Fair.

This bus was not only the last red "RT" built by WEYMANN, but, also, had the distinction of bring the highest numbered.

Interestingly, this tour to Holland was the only overseas trip made by an LT-owned bus that year.......

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2021 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.......overseas "goodwill" trips by LT buses was a new innovation in the postwar era, and, during, 1950, the first two of many such trips were organized for several "RT" buses.

In July, 1950, four "RT's" were shipped to Europe, to tour and show the flag in three Scandinavian countries, as well as Belgium, France, Holland, and West Germany.

This tour was used as a publicity exercise for the forthcoming Festival of Britain, which was to take place in 1951.

The second tour involved two more "RT's", which were sent to Berlin for a German Industries Fair; it was not too long, however, that these buses were back at work in London, with the only reminders of their overseas adventures being their "GB" stickers and the interior commemorative plaques.......

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FACCo/LT during WW2......

Though the US did not get involved in WW2 until the devastating attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941, FACCo never had garages bombed, buses destroyed beyond repair, and employees (and, sadly, also passengers) who lost their lives en route.

When windows on the buses were broken (as a result of bomb damage), they were, many times, simply boarded over, due to a shortage of glass.

I've seen photos of wartime double-deckers that had all but two or three windows boarded over.

Like the Tube trains, anti-bomb blast netting installed over the windows, leaving a small diamond-shaped opening for passengers to see through.

Bare interior light bulbs were capped by heavy shades; many buses only utilized one headlight, also shaded; front mudguards (fenders) were painted white to enhance visibility during night hours, and large white discs (for the same reason) were displayed on the rear of the buses.

London Underground (tube) drivers were also instructed to coast as much as possible on outdoor sections at night, to eliminate as much arcing as possible, so as not to be seen by enemy aircraft.

LT borrowed also many buses from other properties during the War, making for some very interesting sights on London streets, to the bus enthusiasts of that era.

The precious "new" buses of the War years were known as the "utility" and "austerity" buses; these wartime buses were built to bare-bones specifications (wood-slatted seats and all), and took a heavy beating during hostilities; however, many lasted in service until the early 1950's.

These buses, like all LT buses had their chassis built by one builder, while the bodies were built by any of a number of builders.

150 of the new "RT"-types were delivered before production stopped; production of these iconic London buses would not begin until after the War.

Buses towing ungainly "gas producer" trailers were common sights on the streets at that time, but bus performance was poor.

Many London buses damaged during the War were written off; however, in a number of cases, the chassis were rebuilt, and "spare" (or "floater") bodies were mounted onto the chassis.

Bus crews were issued metal helmets, which were to be put on in case of an air raid; they also were issued haversacks, which were equipped with "emergency" equipment.

All GREEN LINE suburban coaches were removed from service during the War, and, many of these vehicles converted into ambulances, as well as being transformed into US ARMY staff mobile staff canteens (American Red Cross "Clubmobiles") and mobile control units.

After the War, these buses were returned to GREEN LINE, converted back into coaches, and remained in service until the early/mid-1950's......

"NYO"

Also:

There was also shortage of "traditional" red paint during the War years; many buses sported bodies of Indian red and primrose.

Other buses were painted in two-tone brown schemes.

A number of buses were painted in camouflaged gray; this was requirement for buses operating in such highly "sensitive" areas, such as the vicinity of the Biggin Hill airbase, or the Vickers aircraft plant at Weybridge.

As more of the "utility" buses entered service, LT sent back the borrowed buses to their home towns, as well as also supplying them with buses from their own fleet, to reciprocate when the operators of other companies suffered a loss of vehicles during air raids.

Thankfully, FACCo (and New York) never had to endure the everyday horrors that had become commonplace in London, during the War years.

No wonder the Brits were known for their "stiff upper lips"......

"NYO"


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like FACCo, LT looked to reduce tyre (tire) wear and fuel consumption; in London, this was done by parking buses on side streets and in city parks, in between rush hours, to avid extra trips to and from garages.

Dozens of buses could be found during the off-hours, lined up for the afternoon rush hour, in Hyde Park, along the Victoria Embankment, and at other strategic locations.

Another area where long lines of buses would be lined up between rush hours was along the Albert Embankment.

Double-deckers also carried wartime "public service" announcements on their upper decks, carrying such messages as:

"TELEGRAPH AND TELEPHONE LESS-DO YOUR PART!"

Though rationing here in the States ended not long after the War, it was not until well into the 1950's that rationing in Britain finally came to an end.....

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote:
FACCo/LT during WW2......

Though the US did not get involved in WW2 until the devastating attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941, FACCo never had garages bombed, buses destroyed beyond repair, and employees (and, sadly, also passengers) who lost their lives en route.

When windows on the buses were broken (as a result of bomb damage), they were, many times, simply boarded over, due to a shortage of glass.

I've seen photos of wartime double-deckers that had all but two or three windows boarded over.

Like the Tube trains, anti-bomb blast netting installed over the windows, leaving a small diamond-shaped opening for passengers to see through.

Bare interior light bulbs were capped by heavy shades; many buses only utilized one headlight, also shaded; front mudguards (fenders) were painted white to enhance visibility during night hours, and large white discs (for the same reason) were displayed on the rear of the buses.

London Underground (tube) drivers were also instructed to coast as much as possible on outdoor sections at night, to eliminate as much arcing as possible, so as not to be seen by enemy aircraft.

LT borrowed also many buses from other properties during the War, making for some very interesting sights on London streets, to the bus enthusiasts of that era.

The precious "new" buses of the War years were known as the "utility" and "austerity" buses; these wartime buses were built to bare-bones specifications (wood-slatted seats and all), and took a heavy beating during hostilities; however, many lasted in service until the early 1950's.

These buses, like all LT buses had their chassis built by one builder, while the bodies were built by any of a number of builders.

150 of the new "RT"-types were delivered before production stopped; production of these iconic London buses would not begin until after the War.

Buses towing ungainly "gas producer" trailers were common sights on the streets at that time, but bus performance was poor.

Many London buses damaged during the War were written off; however, in a number of cases, the chassis were rebuilt, and "spare" (or "floater") bodies were mounted onto the chassis.

Bus crews were issued metal helmets, which were to be put on in case of an air raid; they also were issued haversacks, which were equipped with "emergency" equipment.

All GREEN LINE suburban coaches were removed from service during the War, and, many converted into ambulances, as well as US ARMY staff mobile staff canteens ("American Red Cross Clubmobiles) and mobile control units.

After the War, these buses were returned to GREEN LINE, converted back into coaches, and remained in service until the early/mid-1950's......

"NYO"

Also:

There was also shortage of "traditional" red paint during the War years; many buses sported bodies of Indian red and primrose.

Other buses were painted in two-tone brown schemes.

A number of buses were painted in camouflaged gray; this was requirement for buses operating in such highly "sensitive" areas, such as the vicinity of the Biggin Hill airbase, or the Vickers aircraft plant at Weybridge.

As more of the "utility" buses entered service, LT sent back the borrowed buses to their home towns, as well as also supplying them with buses from their own fleet, to reciprocate when the operators of other companies suffered a loss of vehicles during air raids.

Thankfully, FACCo (and New York) never had to endure the everyday horrors that had become commonplace in London, during the War years.

No wonder the Brits were known for their "stiff upper lips"......

Although FACCo is the FACCo-l (focal) point here, it should be added that none of the other bus companies operating in NYC at the time (New York City Omnibus, Comprehensive Omnibus, East Side Omnibus, Avenue B & East Broadway, even Surface Transportation System with their short-lived M-107 in Washington Heights) suffered losses as of the kind that affected London both in general and as far as their buses, personnel and garages were concerned, either.
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