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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a rare photo of one of the former 4500-series trailers being used as a waiting shelter.......

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?118342

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

until the mid-1930's, Passaic Wharf was a major link for all of PS's streetcar lines in northern New Jersey; track connections allowed the cars of several divisions to travel here for heavy work, painting, rebuilding, etc.

By the later 1930's, the sprawling facility in the Meadows had been infamously dubbed "The Streetcar Slaughterhouse" by traction enthusiasts, as it was here that PS sent hundreds of cars to be scrapped, after their lines had been converted either to ASV or motor bus (PW closed in 1943, after the last few cars on site were scrapped)

The (OOS) cars in this photo quite old, even when this photo was taken.

Note, too, the steeplecab; PS once had several of these, used as work motors at Passaic Wharf and Plank Road, to switch OOS equipment.

What a trolley museum these old cars would make today.......

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?118347

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plank Road Shops (Newark) was both an important car house and heavy repair facility; many decades later, NJT buses were still being stored/serviced here.

This photo dates to 1934, and shows a few 1600 series cars; the 1600's were built by BRILL and STEPHENSON (1906), and were among the oldest operating cars in the PS fleet was this photo was taken in 1934.........

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?116998

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This photo (at entrance to the GREENVILLE car yards) dates to August, 1949, when the remaining HUDSON Division car lines were converted to buses (I have seen this photo elsewhere, with the date and location given)

SEE: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?118360

(courtesy: nycsubway.org)

Note that car #2804 is furnished with the red running lights only seen on cars based at UNION CITY; UNION CITY-based cars were not stored/serviced at GREENVILLE (note, alos, new PS buses on the left)

I have seen both old home movie footage (and other photos) detailing the last day(s) of the HUDSON Division streetcars.

The cars that were based at UNION CITY ("SUMMIT" and "UNION CITY" lines) , after making their final revenue runs, deadheaded down to GREENVILLE, where they were cut in sections and then loaded onto flatbeds, which hauled them out to FEDERAL scrapyards in Newark for scrapping, along with the former "JACKSON" and "OAKLAND" cars.

It was a SAD sight, indeed; the cars were cut up with EVERYTHING intact (fare registers, controllers, brake hardware, signs.......ALL went to the scrap heap) Crying or Very sad

One can only imagine what high prices such rare pieces of traction hardware would command today (nothing was saved, except, perhaps, what smaller items could be saved by either veteran PS men or enthusiasts who "had connections")

I am MOST fortunate, indeed, to have in my collection several rare PSNJ streetcar items that were given to me way back in 1972/1973, by the late Bob Kittler (City Subway superintendent) and one of the shop crew I was friendly with.

I received from these fine fellows:

A metal "PAY ENTER" sign

A controller handle

A brake handle

A side rollsign section (from either a deck roof or a Compromise roof car assigned to the #7) that reads:

"FRANKLIN AVENUE"

"PENN R.R."

"SPECIAL"

You have no idea how much I treasure these rare artifacts of the PS trolley era!Very Happy

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prior to the formation of the great PSNJ traction network, the streetcars of the "NEW JERSEY & HUDSON RIVER Ry. COMPANY" (service was originally provided by cars of the "BERGEN COUNTY TRACTION COMPANY") used a switchback between Fort Lee (at the top of the Palisades) and the Edgewater ferry terminal.

Later, abuilt a double track horseshoe curve was built, which served the cars of several BERGEN Division lines.

The last cars used this spectacular ROW in August, 1938.

The ROW is still there, but is now largely buried in tons of construction debris (from the huge high-rise towers built at the top of the Palisades from the 1970's onwards), and over eight decades of dense underbrush.........

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?116265

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?116268

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here, "De Luxe" car #3517 ( outbound, running on the "ENGLEWOOD" line) makes a stop for off-hour passengers at Palisades Junction, Fort Lee, in 1936.

As you can see, there were many switches here, and a number of block signals (not seen here) were mounted on the line poles.

This was a VERY busy transfer point, during the rush hours (buses also served the junction)

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?116267

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note the "EDGEWATER SPECIAL: SCHOOL CAR" sign on the dash of #3511, seen here at the 125th st. Ferry terminal, in 1934 (note the stack of one of the PSNJ ferryboats rising behind the car)

Through 1935, PS operated special "school tripper" runs on the "COYTESVILLE" line........

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?116264

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a rare (and VERY busy!) rush hour scene at the Edgewater Ferry Terminal, circa-1912.

Note the two railroad roof cars in the photo (near center); these were the the "low" 3500's, then used predominately on the BERGEN Division (these were the only railroad-roof cars operated by PS, with the exception of the NJRT cars, after 1925)

"High" 3500's, on the other hand, were "standard" deck roof cars.

Note, to, the paddlewheel, walking beam excursion steamer in the background; the long-defunct "IRON STEAMBOAT COMPANY" docked their excursion vessel fleet (they ran to Coney Island until 1933) at Edgewater, over the winter months........

This area is, today, virtually unrecognizeable......

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?116266

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PSNJ's huge NEWTON AVENUE (Camden) car house/yard, in 1930 (link at bottom of post)

This sprawling facility would have not looked at all out of place either in Newark, Jersey City, or Brooklyn.

Note the variety of rolling stock seen here (talk about a "museum fleet"!)

Interestingly, as I had mentioned earlier here, the PS cars that operated in Camden ran on a five-foot gauge.

As Camden's streetcar system dwindled by the late 1920's/early 1930's, a group of cars* were sent north to Plank Road shops (Newark), where they were re-gauged for operations on the ESSEX Division.

The very last PS cars ran in Camden during 1937; it is interesting to know, that, when some of the earlier car lines had been replaced by buses, some of those lines, in turn, were later replaced by ASV's.

*Several "low" (deck roof) 3200's, operating in Camden, had their roofs destroyed during a 1918 fire at the Newton Avenue car house; the cars went north, and, oddly enough, were rebuilt with "Compromise"-style roofs at Plank Road shops (Newark)

They were assigned to GREENVILLE, and operated on the "JACKSON" and "OAKLAND" lines until after the War........

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117033

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today, virtually nothing remains of the PSNJ's vast fleet of streetcars; the very few that survive today are truly rare relics.....reminders of what was once one of the largest streetcar networks in the country.

Far more TARS and B&QT equipment (thankfully) survive today, that former PSNJ rolling stock.

IMHO, more cars could have been saved, but, instead, were turned into scrap metal.......living traction history lost forever....... Sad

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Journal Square bus lanes throughout the decades......

There are many old photos and, also postcards online, showing Journal Square from the 1930's through the 1960's.

Looking at these nostalgic old views, made back when "The Square" was still the bustling business/transportation hub of Hudson County, truly tell a fascinating story.

Some views showing double lines of buses on the western side of the Square, as well as buses (also local and long distance) facing both north and south on the eastern side of the Square, near Sip Avenue.

PSNJ, as you know, had its own off-street terminal on Sip Avenue.

Throughout the decades, these local, suburban, and long-distance bus companies served Journal Square:

NORTH HUDSON BOULEVARD

SOUTH HUDSON BOULEVARD

BERGEN AVENUE

DOWNTOWN

CENTRAL AVENUE

RED & TAN

LAYAYETTE & GREENVILLE

JERSEY CITY & MONTCLAIR (after the War, this became a DE CAMP route, #22)

GREYHOUND

EDWARDS

CHAMPLAIN

MARTZ

GOLDEN ARROW

When the new PATH Transportation Center opened in 1974, it not only removed all of the buses from the Square itself, but also, ended up causing the area to sharply decline, as the buses no longer loaded/unloaded adjacent to the many stores and businesses.

Today, the business area on the eastern side of Journal Square (FIVE CORNERS BAKERY, BETTINGERS, PATHWAY BAKERY, NAPLES ON THE SQUARE, etc.) is nothing more than a huge vacant, fenced-off lot.

Many grand plans were drawn up to build on this vacant land and to revitalize the area, but, to date, all plans have stalled.

The Journal Square I so fondly remember (back in the 1960's) is now but a cherished memory; no longer is "The Square" the bus enthusiast's paradise that it once was for so long, so many years ago......

"NYO"
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of all of the old "indy" bus companies I recall in Jersey City, the SHBL and CENTRAL AVENUE's CRRofNJ lines provided long, lengthy, and enjoyable rides (actually, I LOVED all of the routes Mom and I rode, 60-odd years ago! Wink

The grey SHBL buses (they were all numbered lower than their NHBL counterparts) ran from JSQ all the way down to the tip of Bayonne, just opposite Staten Island.

I clearly remember when the old "Uncle Milty's" amusement part was still in business, as well as the "SUNRISE FERRY" to Port Richmond, Staten Island.

When we either went down to the old CRRofNJ ferry terminal on Johnston Avenue (either to ride the ferry, take a short train jaunt, or to take a NY&LB train down to Manasquan to visit relatives) we'd board either one of CENTRAL AVENUE's Old Looks or MACKS at the "city line" terminal (Union City/Jersey City border) for the long, winding, twisting ride down to the ferry terminal.

My brother's best friend once drove for LAFAYETTE & GREENVILLE; my older brother took a photo of me behind the wheel of an Old Look, wearing his friend's cap, at the old L&G garage (sadly, that picture, for whatever reason, did not come out) Sad

Into the mid-1960's, the old "indy" companies were still operating quite a few rolling museum pieces, which I still happily recall today....it was a LOT of fun while it lasted...... Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2022 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the days of the old H&M station at Journal Squarre, there was an enclosed passageway that connected the H&M/PATH station to the PS terminal, dubbed "the Concourse".

I remember a PSNJ waiting room, a restaurant, and a number of entrances to several shops shops that also had entrances leading from Journal Square.

There was also an old wooden escalator that connected The Concourse to the H&M station; in later years, as the old H&M station was being demolished, the escalator was abandoned and sealed off, but remained in place for many years afterwards.

There was also the long-established "A.J. LAMONT" news kiosk, near the H&M entrance, as well as the stand for "TUBE TAXI".

No trace of any of this remains today, save for the old PS building and its glass canopy, that sheltered debarking bus passengers......

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2023 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at old photos of Journal Square (1930's/mid-1970's) it is interesting to see the changing and shifting of the outdoor bus lanes through the decades.

Through the 1940's, some buses faced SOUTH on the east side of the Square, near Sip Avenue.

I well remember that the NHBL's #'s 1 and 5 loaded atop the bridge that spanned the PRR/H&M/PATH tracks (a starter's booth was also located here)

As the new PATH Transportation Center was being built, the outbound NHBL buses were now loading further away from the Square proper, near the old Stanley theatre.

INTER-CITY buses had "slots" on the western side of the Square, near the Hudson County National Bank building.

Through the 1970's, DE CAMP's now long-defunct #22 also served the Square.....

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Journal Square in It's Glory Days!


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